Curse

darktyco · Jun 20, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Toxic J

I would have these pve-only skills disabled for normal mode because seriously, NM doesn't need them. However I would have them enabled for both heroes and real players in HM. I'd like to do HM with real players but really, did you people ever try getting a group together for that?

It seems to me everybody against this is thinking of NM and how easy that is. Well, the only time I get a group for HM is within my alliance which is cool and all but I can't expect them all to jump everytime I want them to just so I can do a mission on HM that they've already done.

The only reason I want heroes to have the skills is for HM as well. While I don't think ANet should restrict heroes from having the skills in either mode, personally I'd be happy if they could use them for HM

Voltar · Jun 21, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

i'd love it if heroes could use all that stuff (the celestial skills on shiro would be nice...koss, goren, sousake, horsey-dude, whispers...get to work, i'm going to pop across the street for a couple tacos)

i don't necessarilty think it will or should change though since if nothing else it would pieve a bunch of people off (not that these skills give me any incentive to play with others...every once in a while i do and 9/10 times go back to heroes and hench immediately after the ensuing wipe).

pugs can be cool but for every, "this is the most awesome group ever," group you find, there's 10, "how did these guys even manage to install the game?" groups.

/not signed but i would smile if they did change it.

strcpy · Jun 21, 2007, 03:36 AM // 03:36

You make more angry by *not* doing it. There are WAY more hero players than PUG'ers.

Heck, I bet most of us would be mostly happy if the heroes got the skills at only half your sunspear/LB rank (Befriending the *** title is already account wide and adjusted accordingly), even better if they have half the points you have farmed (thus they can still get to max rank). At the least most complaints would be much more along the lines of whining, especially if could max their ranks out also.

It would still "encourage" PUG's as much as ever (still waiting for that to happen - it has now been five days and no such thing - must need a week before it kicks in) and we would have access to the skills.

Solar Light · Jun 21, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

PVE skills were supposed to be relased originaly with hardmode.

Hardmode was probably desgined with PVE SKILLS in mind, because they were SUPPOSED to be developed together and DELIVERED together.

PVE skills came late, but, you get my point.

PVE skills wont break hardmode, I did some vanquishing Ice Floe with a guildgroup, i was running a warrior with crit agility, two war pve skills, monks had seed of life, ect, ele with intensity.
We scraped it with difficulty, and that was with pve skills.

Alot of the mursatt mesmers loved to strip enchantments like intensity and agility, the PVE warrior shout took time to charge, and we still had wipes when it was up, the pve attack sucked most of the time overall, enemys dont bunch up quite as much in Hm.

i must note that we did not have a paragon, the parashout might have changed something, but there is always the odds of one of the monks sneaking it, or a ele, ect

many of the skills are still vulnerable to shutdown that the mobs use, enchantstrip, the odd shout counter in NF, hexes, the works, each area generaly has some trick to it, and even pve skills arent invincible, just good and helpful as any other good skill.

(this guild group was a Xen of Onslaught allience group, that should mean something to those of you that know what XoO is, if you dont, well, find out, but, im going to be nice and summurise.

asideing thier pvp branches, the pve branches require the players having finished all three campains at least once, the total population for this mass guild is high, one of the few guilds that can throw togther complete HM groups on a constant basis)

Point being, we are a experenced guild group with venterilo cordination, with these "broken" pve skills, and it was still hard.

only thing thats going to change about normal mode, is some of the endgame missions, and one or two tough buggers like Jennurs and Grand Court masters, for pure henching of course.

bhavv · Jun 21, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

/not signed.

The skills are overpowered and the game is easy enough.

Your post VS Solar Light's post.... hmm, im sorry but XoO wins.

Restricting these skills to HM only and usable by heroes would be perfect.

Solar Light · Jun 21, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Restricting something like Never Ramapge Alone to hardmode? thats a laugh.

take a peak at lightbringer signet, crappy pve skill elite with limited use.

the example is, keep stuff like intensity powerful, but, make it elite.

no need to restrict pve skills to hardmode, just tweak for a good degree of balance that keeps the skills USEFUL

you know what i belive is the underlying reason the Razah Fans got the DoA gem reqs removed?

it wasnt the whining that had no good arguement, it was the people that had a good arguement, backed it up, and belived it.

Razah was a vanity thing, but he was also the only ritualist hero, and one of the underlying thing of GW others and myself belive is is the ease of access of the content that Matters, 1.5k and Fow has the same stats in the end, and the PVE skills count the same in my opinon, ALL basic "core" content like heros, skills, ect, shouldnt be restricted, excluded, ect, in the way that goes against the principles of Gw.

the Ss and factions titles kind of smack against it, but the pve skilsl are easy to get, they work at lower levels, sunspear gan get to r7-8 easly and the skills will suffice, and most of the factions PVE skills are subpar. (and i still belive they need tweaking.)

giving the skills to heros wont hurt, if the skills and mechanics are tweaked properly, such as being limited to primary priofessions, the primary atribute linking, turning some of the stronger ones into elites, or make them all elite, and tweak them to be STRONG elites.

And for the love of god, just scrap the ranger skills and make them something that doesnt make me want to upchuck, a halfbaked RaO thumper spinoff will never be better then a warrior or dervisn in PVE in terms of DPS, its just a bad gimmick, rangers work better in pure beastmastery, bow utility like conditions and interupts, and nature spirits, make skills that reflect the rangers best areas, and arent as bad as the old Otyughs Cry.

cellardweller · Jun 22, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

I don't like the new skills, and a week after their introduction they've left my bar so I don't forsee myself adding them to a hero's bar. All that being said if someone else wants to put the skills on their heroes, the more power to them! I don't need to tell some else how they should be playing the game

/signed

Perfected Shadow · Jun 23, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

/signed

I don't see why not...Don't want it on heroes? Don't put them on heroes.